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Results: EVERYTHING you need to know

by leandre on May 17, 2011

in Notes from the Station

In response to the questions I know we’ll receive on and after race day, I asked our technical director, Joe Connelly, to explain a little bit about how results become official and why exactly the process “takes so long.”

But before you get swept up in Joe’s post, check this out!  New this year: get the latest unofficial results as friends cross the finish line! KBVCM is happy to offer runner tracking and real time results this year. For information on how to track a friend (or yourself), plus where to find results at Waterfront Park, check out this post.

Written By: Joe Connelly

Race Results…How come it takes so long for official results to come out? What are you guys doing?

One of the challenges of producing a race of this size is in making sure our results are correct. At the finish line, we produce results for viewing in the FairPoint Results Tents off of our primary timing system. With over  4000 runners crossing the finish line, it’s nearly inevitable that something goes wrong for someone: a tag is defective or has become damaged during the race and fails to read, a relay team last leg runner does not wear the Last Leg bib, a runner covers their tag with a water bottle or wears it on their back-the list is long on why the system can fail and every system has its strengths and weaknesses. To protect our finish line operations we run multiple backup systems, some data based and some visual (both video and still pictures).

So then what?

Monday morning after the race our staff starts to review the results for anomalies-times that just don’t look right or runners who were missed on the primary timing system. Every year we get emails from runners who may have a problem with the results; either they are missing in the overall results, or maybe a split is missing or wrong. On the relay side we hear from teams who are listed in the incorrect division. While we want to get results up immediately, it’s most important that we get the results 100% correct, even if that takes a few days. At some parts of the race it’s not too hard to catch everyone on primary and backup timing systems, but at other times the density at the finish line makes it impossible. At our peak finish times, 11:30-12:45, we average greater than 1 finisher every 2 seconds, for the entire 75 minute range! In fact, most years around 60% of our finishers come in during the hour of 11:30-12:30. That makes for an intense hour for our timing company and finish line staff.

What kind of “anomalies” do you see-and how do you find them?

In order to verify that all runners listed as finishers completed the entire course, we have a few systems in place. Our first step is to scan the results to look for finishers who are missing one or more of the intermediate split times. Simply missing one or more splits does not automatically mean we classify a runner as a DNF, but it does mean that we look closer into that runner’s data. Last year we had split data at the start, mile 10, mile 13.1, mile 20, and the finish. Some years we also have unpublished mats at 10k or mile 12.5 or mile 21.5 and one year we even had a mat at mile 1.5. These are the places that are the edges of the course. If a runner had in mind to cut the course they might cross all the published mats, but it’s not likely that they’d also find the unpublished mats.

One of the things we see every year are a few runners who have splits at the start, 10, 13.1, and the finish, but they are missing the 20 mile split. The nature of our course is that a runner who is not ready for the full 26.2 can run the first half, and then drop out at mile 15 and enjoy the post-race party. We also see some runners who get past mile 15, the biggest hill on the course, but they are too fatigued and drop out a few miles later and walk back to Waterfront Park. If someone is missing only the 20 mile split, it’s pretty easy to tell by comparing their halfway split to their finish time if they did not complete the race. What happens a lot of times is the runner will walk through the finish line to turn in their Chip (in the old days), or they’ll walk next to the finish line and the mats will pick them up as a finisher. We’ve gotten better at controlling this over the years, but inevitably a few runners are recorded as finishers because of this who should not be. A lot of times these runners will contact us before we’ve even had a chance to review the results on Monday.

We also look for runners with huge negative splits. A big negative split is not in itself proof that something is amiss, but it is worth checking out. A few actual examples that we have seen:

  • A runner is 1:40 at 10 miles (10:00/mile pace), 2:00 at 13.1 (6:30/mile for this 5k section), then finishes in just over 3:30 (7:00 pace the last half). We contacted the runner, and were told that he ran a friend through 10 miles, then picked it up to his normal pace the rest of the way. The chip data for him and his friend are the same at 10 miles. So in this case the huge negative split makes sense.
  • A runner has no start split, is 1:30 at 10 miles, 2:16 at 13.1, 4:00 at 20 miles, then finishes in just over 5:30. No start split was a tip off that this runner may have started prior to our 8:03am official start. The fact that the 10-13.1, 13.1-20, and 20-26.2 splits were all right on 15:00/mile, while the start-10 split was 9:00/mile, was strong evidence supporting our theory. When we contacted the runner he admitted to starting early.
  • A runner is 1:51 at 13.1 miles, then runs a 2nd half split of 1:23 for a total of 3:14. He is missing the 20 mile split and does not appear in video shot at the 22 mile mark or on the unpublished chip mat data at 21.5 miles. The runner has half marathon times from other races in the 1:45-1:55 range. It is the ruling of the judges that this is a bogus finish time and the runner did not run the entire course-the runner is removed from the results.
  • A marathon entrant (not relay division!) posts a 3:20 finish time with a 13.1 split of 1:45. When reviewing the photos under this bib number the 9 and 13.1 mile photos are of a female and the 26.2 mile photo is of a male. Both runners are wearing the bib on a race belt. When we contact the entrant to determine what happened, we are told they decided to race as a relay instead of the entrant running the whole marathon and they exchanged just before the 15 mile mark. This is of course not permitted. The finish result is removed from our official results and the runners are banned from future participation in KBVCM.

So, how do we make the results official?

After researching the timing systems based on the emails and phone calls we received from runners who are missing, we can almost always find the evidence the runner wants which backs up their effort on race day. We work with our timing company to submit our findings, and they also work to review the backup systems. Many times they find runners missing in the results before we even contact them. By the end of the week after the race we usually have 95% of the issues cleared up, at which time our timing company reposts results on Cool Running. As soon as we feel we have all the issues cleared up, which can be as soon as 5 days or as much as 2 weeks after the race, we submit our official results to USATF and post them on our own site, marked “Official.” And that’s a wrap on another year!

What to do if you finished the race but are missing from the published results?

First off, contact our office as soon as possible. 2-3 days after the race is good, 2 weeks later is not good. The best way to get the ball rolling is to email us so that we can start a paper trail. Phone calls are going to be less effective as an initial contact, but please include a phone number in your email in case we need to speak with you to clarify any items. Information to include that will help our detective work:

  • Bib number
  • Shorts, shirt, shoes, hat…what were you wearing? If you have a picture a friend or family member took of you during the race please attach it to your email.
  • What time was on the clock or your watch when you finished? If the time is from your watch and you started it when you crossed the start line let us know that, and if you have a general idea of how long that was after the horn that is good for us to know too. If you have any midway splits feel free to send them along, even if they’re from different points from our official mats.
  • Did you cross the finish line near anyone else? If you know that person let us know. Even if you can only say it was “tall male, black shorts blue shirt” that helps.

What can you do to prevent these problems?

The #1 thing is to make sure your bib is clear on the front of your shirt. At any time on the course there may be cameras or timing equipment that needs to able to see or read your bib. Covering your bib with a jacket, sweatshirt, or a FuelBelt means our cameras can’t identify you. Should the electronic timing fail for your bib our cameras are our next step to try to figure out who you are. One thing we learned in 2010 is that FuelBelt bottles can cause big problems for electronic timing in a bib. The main issue is that the fluids in the bottles prevent the device in the bib from communicating with the timing mats. The secondary issue is that a bib under a FuelBelt is easily damaged.

#2 is do not fold or cut your bib. The timing strips in your bib can be damaged if bent. The bibs can handle regular stress from normal use, but they are less reliable if you intentionally bend them. Related to this is try to avoid attaching your bib to a body part that is going to be bending a lot. In 2010 over 50% of the bib errors we experienced were on runners who pinned their bib to their shorts near their hip. The continuous bending motion of your hip flexor as you run can damage the timing sensors.

The bottom line is that our goal is that the final official results delivered to USATF and published online are 100% correct. In an event of this size that requires post-race research and patience. Any errors you see related to your own results or someone else’s, please feel free to contact us and we’ll check it out for you.

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